Simple coulomb cutoff problem

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8 years 6 months ago #76 by Jirsak
Dear community,

I experience a strange issue with my simulations using plain coulomb cutoff. The behavior can be reproduced using e.g. the shipped example

Examples/NVT/diethylether

and changing

# Charge_Style
coul Ewald 14.0 0.000001

to

# Charge_Style
coul cut 14.0

With plain cutoff the energy exhibits unusually large negative numbers and does not fluctuate around an equilibrium value - it keeps decreasing. Also the behavior of the configuration is odd - the system is almost frozen.

Thank you for any advice.
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Jan

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8 years 2 months ago #92 by ryangmullen
Hi Jan,

The coulomb cutoff method will not give physical results for a liquid simulation. Cutting off the coulombic energy at 14.0 Angstroms results in a large step change in the energy as atoms move across the cutoff. I ran the diethylether example with (a) Ewald and (b) cutoff. Using Ewald, the average change in energy for attempting to translate one molecule was 1334 +/- 4102 atomic units, resulting in an acceptance ratio of 36%. Using the cutoff, the average energy changes of translation attempts were much larger, 12225 +/- 8982 atomic units and the acceptance ratio dropped to 5%.

The size of the downhill energy attempts also differs between the two methods in the diethylether example. Using Ewald, the average downhill energy attempt for translation moves was -338 +/- 831. Using the cutoff, -3053 +/- 3174.

So, most translation attempts move molecules beyond the cutoff resulting in high changes in energy and low acceptance, making the simulation appear frozen. When a move brings two molecules within the cutoff, the change in energy is also large, but negative. These downhill energy moves all get accepted, causing the energy to keep decreasing.

In short, I recommend against using the coulomb cutoff for a liquid simulation.

Ryan
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8 years 2 months ago #93 by Jirsak
Thank you very much, Ryan!

I knew using simple cutoff produced artifacts with electrostatics, I just did not expect them to be so serious - my mistake (I had some experience with molecule-wise coulomb cutoff where the jumps were somewhat smeared out by counting opposite charges together). You are absolutely right it is not a suitable method for liquids, in fact I never use it for my condensed phase simulations; however, I needed to test the cutoff feature as such and for that purpose I just modified one of the examples to make sure everything else is set up correctly.

Just to clarify why I want to use the plain cutoff: For some thermodynamic calculations of intramolecular energy I need an ideal gas reference, which I simulate as a single molecule. I understood that with Cassandra I could not switch the periodic boundary conditions off (is it correct?) so the only method left to eliminate the effect of periodic images seems to be the use of cutoff. Or is there another way?

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8 years 2 months ago #94 by ryangmullen
Correct, there is no option to turn off periodic boundary conditions in Cassandra. For a single molecule simulation, using a cut-off larger than your molecule but smaller than half your box will make it so that the PBCs are never enforced during the energy calculation -- the energies will be identical to the same forcefield without PBCs.
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